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Initiative SKill

Post by Chaton on Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:35 pm

Each hero get a Normal Skill and an Initiative Skill.
A Normal Skill is a basic attack but an Initiative Skill is a more powerfull attack.
Most of the time the Initiative Skill can only be triggered once every 3 rounds but there is some exception.
So it's important to max out your heroes Initiative Skill.
3 important things :
1 > Keep in mind that you will must max out the Initiative Skill of a purple+3 hero to evolve it into an orange hero.
2 > Also about purple heroes I recommend you to wait for a purple+ hero before to increase it Initiative Skill. Because a purple hero has an Initiative Skill but a purple+ (+1, +2, +3) has an Initiative Skill +. I know it's a bit confusing and tricky.
3 > We don't care about blue hero because there are weak and you won't use them (but Untipe Skill Fruit will work).


Pictures of a purple and a purple+ hero





Each ring represents a turn in which you launch a Normal Skill and a yellow filled ring represents a turn in which you cast your Initiative Skill.


I/ Unripe Skill Fruit and Purple Heroes


To increase the Initiative Skill+ of a purple+ hero you will need to use Unripe SKill Fruit.

What is an Unripe Skill Fruit ?



Where to find them ?









How to use them ?






















II/ Skill Fruit and Orange Heroes

To increase the Initiative SKill of an orange hero you will need to use Skill Fruit.

What is a Skill Fruit ?



Where to find them ?

1 > Honor Shop



2 > Contribution Shop



3 > Guild Shop



4 > Solo Guild Dungeon



How to use them ?

















And now you are wondering if you need to use 1 or 2 or 6 Skill Fruits. That's a very good question. And I want to introduce you our statistic master SnubbleDub ! Wink
Read his reply just below. It's very pertinent.


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How to use Skillfruits most effectively

Post by SnubbelDub on Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:44 pm

Thanks, Chaton, incredible how much effort u put into this. A small comment from the in-game discussions about how to best use skill fruits. The punsh line up-front: the best way to use skill fruits is to use a SINGLE skill fruit per attempt.

Explanation:
As seen in the pictures, 1 skill fruit gives 18% upgrade chance. If you use 6 skill fruits, u guarantee an upgrade, but you also waste 8% upgrade chance, so to say. Consider this: if you do 10 attempts with 5 skill fruits giving you 90% per attempt, you gonna end up with 9 upgrades statistically for 50 fruits. If you go for 100% attempts you need 54 skill fruits for 9 upgrades--so you waste 4 skill fruits.

Now, putting in 5 skill fruits and failing does not feel good. Worse even, its a statistical reasoning, which means that you have to reach large numbers of attempts to make it work consistently-that wont happen with 5er attempts. Fortunately, the reasoning does not change when you only use a single skill fruit per attempt. For 9 successful upgrades , you need statistically 50 attempts with 1 skill fruit. However, compared to taking 5 fruits per attempt, you have a much greater number of attempts so the statistics can kick in. Say you upgrade 9 Orange Heroes, each requires 9 skill upgrades, that is a total of 450 attempts! Pretty sure the 18% are gonna be rather accurate with this many attempts. If ur really, really unlucky, you may end up with 17%, which still is a tiny bit better than doing 6ers.

But be warned, you may spend 15 skill fruits and nothing happens, then you may spend another 10 and get 5 upgrades (which happened to me yesterday Very Happy). If you are frustrated by that, not patient enough or simply dont trust the random number generator aka RNG, go for 6 fruits per attempt and live in peace Very Happy.

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Re: Initiative SKill

Post by Rögen on Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:50 pm

Nicely done Chaton, indeed.

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Re: Initiative SKill

Post by Tactik on Tue Jun 21, 2016 4:28 pm

As of today, after trying various combos especially the 90% upgrade chance from 5 pieces, I can tell you 100% you always end up WAAAY below as u where just using 6/6 and 100% chances.

This is the only way I will level up my initiative skill ( 6/6 100% ) the 5 skill fruits level up is too punishing, and risking with skill fruits just makes u hate the game.

If u ask for my honest opinion, never go below 6/6. And I leveled up a fuckton of orange cards to 10/10 in all the ways possible.
You get greedy and you might feel good about yourself for a few tries, then u fail 2 consecutive 5/6 and 2-3 more the same week and u realize you made a big mistake Smile).


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Re: Initiative SKill

Post by Paolo on Tue Jun 21, 2016 5:07 pm

i'm testing 1x and do 2 upgrade everyday with only 5 skill fruit

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Re: Initiative SKill

Post by Tactik on Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:45 pm

Paolo wrote:i'm testing 1x and do 2 upgrade everyday with only 5 skill fruit
lucky bastard! I'll give it a try with 1x again then XD
Gambling is addictive and contagious it seems.

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Re: Initiative SKill

Post by SnubbelDub on Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:01 pm

Haha, good for you Paolo, times will change eventually, be prepared to spend 10 or more fruits for single upgrade sooner or later, still worth it as explained in my previous post Wink

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Re: Initiative SKill

Post by Paolo on Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:05 pm

worth now, not later. better now then leter xD.
i think is always worth.

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Re: Initiative SKill

Post by Tactik on Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:42 am

1x seems nice but indeed when u fail 10+ you kinda lose your hope on it. I will look into it further this whole week. After that I think I'll go back for 6/6 and just sleep well on it.

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Re: Initiative SKill

Post by SnubbelDub on Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:53 am

I counted until i got to 40+ and ended up with a little over 20%. Then I stopped keeping track. rng seems to be fine.

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Re: Initiative SKill

Post by Rögen on Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:19 pm

I use 6 skill fruits. I use them 1 by one if I have 1 to 3 of them remaining.
For now it worked 50% of the time.

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Re: Initiative SKill

Post by Tactik on Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:48 pm

Dafak u guys doing ? Sacrificing chicken for the RNG gods ? Smile)
I'll keep trying with 1 at a time too will keep u updated, so far it's been good-ish, I'm on the 10 with 0 up part now, hopefully I'll pass it in the next 2-3 days else I'm back to 6/6 or 100% chance.

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Re: Initiative SKill

Post by Retro Rage on Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:38 am

I freakin hate gambling (maybe that's why I poor :'( with no skill fruit)
I get 1 skill up per day (5 of 6 days) doing 6ers. I can see the 'odds being in favour of 1ers but losing 10 straight makes me hate life. I need more people backing this idea with evidence of more that 6 orange skill ups per week.

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Re: Initiative SKill

Post by Tactik on Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:27 am

im using 1 per day and i got pretty good feedback too.
Sometimes u get 3 levels with 6 skill fruits, so far I'm ahead using 1 by 1.
The longer u do 1 by 1 the better it gets.

This, or we're all super lucky who use skill fruits 1 by 1.
I used to do 5/6 before too but now I'll keep using 1 by 1 for a wile, as I get better feedback from them.

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Re: Initiative SKill

Post by Retro Rage on Sat Jul 09, 2016 8:59 am

My first 1er got me my 10th skill lv for winter so I was pretty impressed but then I blew 17 skill fruits doing 1ers on my Qriest trying to go from skill lv 8 to 9. Thinking of going back to 6ers but I'll try another 13 fruits 1st

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Re: Initiative SKill

Post by SnubbelDub on Sat Jul 09, 2016 2:44 pm

Retro, sry to hear. Such a long lose streak is really unlucky (u sure u weren't already at 10/10 Very Happy), but...well...if u get 3 or 4 with the next 13, u'll see that u start to catch up, eventually u'll end up at around 18%, not likely to happen with the next 13, u'll even out eventually

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